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The goal of this website is to give support to people who are facing problems in their relationship related to cheating, abuse and narcissism. I am living in Europe and English is not my native language, I wish you will excuse me if I make some grammatical errors. I have a background in neuroscience and behavioral sciences and I am currently doing brain research related to these topics in university in my home country. I decided to write in English because I wish to reach as many people as I can around the world.

 

Manipulating a narcissist

Once you understand what narcissism is all about, it is quite easy to manipulate a narcissist to do what you want. OBS! The matters discussed in this article are aimed to help one to break free from a narcissist, not to maintain a relationship with one. It makes no sense to boost the ego of a narcissist if one intends to remain together with him or her, that would lead to a paradoxical situation in which a narcissist keeps behaving badly and the victim of a narcissist remains unhappy. There are, however, situations in which one is trying to leave a narcissist and a narcissist is making matters very difficult. In such a situation it is good to be able to "manipulate" a narcissist to behave the way you wish instead of complicating matters further. Having said this very important point, let us now discuss how one can influence a narcissistic person.

Above all else, a narcissist is seeking for admiration. To be aware of this can be a powerful tool. The thing a narcissist fears the most is the feeling of not being in control. If you make a narcissist believe he or she is in control, you can pull the strings of a narcissist and make a narcissist do whatever you want. It will give you the feeling of strength and power and increases your self-confidence during a difficult separation process when you feel you are in control of the situation instead of other way around.

Think of a narcissist as someone who is mentally invalid. Narcissists are not sadistic. Deep inside narcissists do not mean to harm their victims, they simply are lacking the necessary tools to understand how other person is feeling in a given situation. Narcissists see themselves as omnipotent, all-mighty beings, therefore it is impossible that they could do something wrong. The fault is always in someone else.

If you learn to manipulate a narcissist it is easier for you to heal yourself after the separation, since you start to see a narcissist as he or she really is. If you wish to read about the methods I used to teach my mind and brain to get rid of the "addiction" to my narcissistic spouse, visit page Recovery After Cheating. If you have been feeling depressed or anxious due to the problems in your relationship, visit this page to learn what you can do to help your brain and mind to recover: Training the Brain.

If you want something from a narcissist

If you are separating from a narcissist and there is something you want him or her to do, it is easier to pull the right strings if you understand the simple mechanisms of the mind of a narcissist. The key things are praise, admiration and unconditional love. When a narcissist believes you are giving these things to him or her, a narcissist becomes blind to everything else and is more willing to be "kind" to you instead of complicating matters further.

Try this out and you will see how well it works. Instead of trying to make a narcissist see your point, tell him or her how wonderful person he or she is, how much you have loved him or her during the relationship etc. Even if your "loving" phrases and admiration would be completely transparent act to anyone with clear mind, in most cases a narcissist is buying it all without blinking an eye. Better yet, you will feel better when you know that it is YOU who is in control. A narcissist is like a small child and you are a parent. You let a narcissist believe that he or she is in control because you can afford to do it. You know the truth about who is controlling and what. Remember that it is not a good idea to keep behaving like this on permanent basis in your relationship if you have decided to remain together with a narcissist, because this will only boost the ego of a narcissist and hence in a long run will make matters harder for you: Who would want to live permanently with a narcissist who's ego has totally blown out of proportion?

As you keep experimenting with "praise" tactic, you start to see a narcissist as someone who is not that interesting, exciting and charming after all, since he or she is acting like a child, believing your admiring phrases no matter how transparent they are. The reason you fell in love with a narcissist was because you saw him or her as something very special, interesting, charming and you felt lucky that you had found someone so unique, who also "loved" you back. When you start to see a narcissist as emotionally immature child, your attitude towards a narcissist will change. A narcissist starts to appear more like an amusing character, who inspires more pity than heartache.

How to separate from a narcissist and come out as a winner

If you are separating from a narcissist, do not harbor thoughts of revenge. If you try to revenge, a narcissist will only turn against you and shows no mercy. You end up being in a battle with a narcissist and that is not the place where you want to be. If a narcissist thinks you no longer love him or her, you will immediately become an insignificant character to a narcissist. At that point a narcissist simply moves on to find another prey.

If you try to heal your broken heart by getting even with a narcissist and getting your revenge, be prepared for merciless resistance. A narcissist will get furious if you try to complicate his or her life in any way and since a narcissist no longer cares for you after the relationship has ended, he or she might really make your life miserable. Do not take that risk.

Instead, make it into your goal to come out of the situation as a winner. What exactly means "winner" in this case? Winner is the person who is getting what he or she wants. A narcissist wants you to be heartbroken over him or her, since that boosts the fragile ego of a narcissist. You only wish your suffering will end.

You can achieve this goal by becoming the one who is in control. While you are planning your escape, you can allow a narcissist believe you still love him or her "desperately". You can for example send emails in which you tell about your "deep emotions" towards a narcissist even after a narcissist has been acting cruel towards you. When a narcissist receives your emails, he or she will become happy as a small child, who not only got a candy but who got a candy that was meant for his or her sibling.

Narcissists feel happiness when they feel someone else has lost something and is feeling miserable. When a narcissist feels another person is miserable because he or she was no longer able to receive the larger-than-life love of a narcissist, that is the best feeling of all, since that "proves" to a narcissist that he or she TRULY is a fantastic and magnificent person, since you are now totally crushed only because you can no longer be with a narcissist. Let a narcissist think like this and let yourself enjoy the feeling of power, when you know you are merely fooling the poor creature.

When you are now holding the leash and a narcissist is believing he or she is in total control, it is somewhat easy to make a narcissist "work for you" instead of other way around. If there is something you want from a narcissist, a narcissist will grant your wishes more easily when a narcissist can think of himself or herself as a "generous" being who is doing something "good" for you, and when a narcissist believes that your love, attachment and longing towards a narcissist will only increase as a result of his or her acts.

Narcissists are never giving anything away for free. But now a narcissist believes that by giving something away a narcissist will actually gain something (narcissists think they will strengthen their power over you and as a result your desperate love, longing and admiration towards them will increase and their narcissistic supply will not run out). But you know better than that. In the end you are the one who wins, you get what you want, while a narcissist only gets unreal illusions.

When you start to see a narcissist in this kind of a new light, as someone who is mentally very weak and easy to manipulate, you start to heal from your "addiction" to a narcissist. You will realize that there is nothing in that person to love and admire. A narcissist starts to appear as a pathetic, sad, even humorous figure. You soon find yourself wondering how you could ever have fallen for someone like that. This realization will help you to leave for good.

If you wish to read about the ways I used to teach my mind and brain to let go of my narcissistic spouse, visit page Recovery After Cheating To read more about narcissism and how the mind of a narcissist works, go to section Narcissism. To read personal stories of life with a narcissistic spouse, go to section Personal Stories: Narcissistic Spouse. To read about cheating and how the mind of a cheater works, go to section Cheating and Infidelity. To read personal stories of life with cheating spouse, go to section Personal Stories: Cheating and Infidelity.

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Comments (275)
  • Phoenix
    So very true, knowledge is power. Rob you are not stupid - never say that, you were a victim of circumstance. You trusted and loved and were the normal one. Don't let this bad experience change you, be true to yourself, open up your heart and you will find a wonderful lady who you will love very much and she in return will love you unconditionally. Do not let this experience define you and make you bitter, Narcs are sick people and they almost cannot help what they do. l send you love. If you are interested have a look at the Louise Hay audio tapes they saved me and changed my life. Much love xx
  • Lina  - I am stuck
    I miss him so. I wish he can have me in his life as a friend. I don't want to be his wife, girlfriend or lover cause I know how he is. he can never be any of that for long but I still want him in my life. Just to be able to see him and hear his voice. He shut me off completely but he did this before and returned to my life...He rells me I am "safe"!It is a pattern but I just want him to be there not disappear and return. I know when he is working on his next supply he doesn't want to be disturbed.... I know he needs the high of new beginning and all what I need is to be his friend. He refuses my friendship.I know he is ill with narcissism to the bone but I don't want to move on cause there is no one who compares to him and I keep on comparing.... I love him to the point I want to see him happy. I just want to be able to see him now and then or pick up the phone and call but he shuts me off and I lookforward for the next time he comes back to my life. I know I am sick, but this pain attaches me to him and reminds me of how I feel when he's not around and how good I feel when he's back even if it was for a very short time. I am stuck...
  • Phoenix  - There is sunshine
    :D Dear friend, you are like many of us who loved our partners/husbands more than life. But you must know that the longer you hold onto the wrong man (and he is wrong for you) the less chance you have of meeting the right one. you need to learn to love yourself, you do not need him to validate yourself, you are a wonderful capable person on your own and just know that when you trust yourself all will be great.
    Please download an audio tape from Louise Hay perhaps the Heal your Life. Louise will give you the strength to sort your life out.

    May I suggest that you can email him but do not call or sms him that will drive him further away.

    I think that they are so racked with guilt at how vulgar they are that they keep on running and cannot bear the truth, if they did they would commit suicide. You will never have a perfect relationship with him, what you had in the beginning has passed. Now know this, start your life a new and you will find someone wonderful, someone who will love you unconditionally and totally not theatrically.

    I send you love and strength. You will make it, you will grow stronger, every day take one step towards your new life - let him go. Look for the Louise Hay audio tapes they changed my life and all is going great now. xxx
  • Belyn  - Awesome
    Would it be alright to post this poem on FB, mainly because it is so true, and it will definitely strike a cord with someone that has all the characteristics of a narcissist, but doesn't know that I know he is. Once he reads this I am certain he will question why I posted it. I am not a huge user of FB, I very rarely use it unless I am trying to stay in contact with close friends who live far away. So posting a message like this, will be somewhat out of character for me.

    Just let me know. Thanks :Belyn
  • {Raven}  - Thank you Belyn.
    Yes. You and anyone who wants to repost this poem may do so. This poem belongs to all of us.
  • LAS  - Poem
    Sorry, but where is the Poem you are talking about??
  • {Raven}  - **Victims Turn Victors**
    Scroll down a little. I wrote it when I was healing from my abusive narc.
  • Rob  - Not just Men!
    Well I just realised that the girl I loved completely was narcissistic and it is helped me a lot as I blamed myself for our break up and her lying. She had an abortion and did not even cry, but was glad to get it over and done with and her only concern was that the procedure might wreck her weekend. I was in tears for months and still to this day struggle with extreme guilt. It all makes such sense now - she hardly touched me in bed, but loved to be touched, she always talked about how she felt - she even forgot my birthday!
    Damn - I have been so stupid...
  • {Raven}  - Don't be too hard on yourself Rob.
    It's the Narcissist's way to fool their victims into falling for them time and time again. Just when we wanted to give up, they'd find a way to reel us back in... giving us hope they will change. In reality, they will never change. They take advantage of our kind and trusting hearts to help feed their ego. But, no more. We're armed with the knowledge of what they are. So remember, don't take her abusive or blameful ways personally. She would be this horrible person regardless if she was with you or someone else. She can't help it. Much luck to you on your road to healing from your narc. Keep reading up on the subject of Narcissism. The more you know, the stronger you'll grow. I know I did.
  • Gin
    Raven awesome poem and so true!
  • {Raven}  - Thank you Gin.
    Feel free to share this poem. I can only imagine how many men and women, especially women, are suffering from the hands of a Narcissist but don't even know it. It took me YEARS before I realized what my husband really was and that everything was NOT my faulf.
  • Sharon Martin  - Married to a Narcissist for 24 years!
    :( I have recently been arrested, kept in Jail without possibility of being let out on Bail. My Narcissit husband has convinved everyont that I am the abuser, He has convinced them that I am the drug addict, despite the fact that I have 14 unannounced drug toxicology test that are negative for everything. He has forced my children to testify against me in court and lie for him. He has paid co-workers and friends to lie on me in court. He filed for a Divorce and Custody of our childen and had Court Summons to a wrong address, unfortunately I did not know about the Divorce or Trial so I did not show up for it and he was granted eveything. He now owns our house, all our money, has custody of our children and keeps his retirement, annuity and everything else to himself. When I tried to fight back in Court on my own because I could not afford a Lawyer and no one would help me because he convinced everyone that I was this horrible person, my narcissist husband hired 2 attornys to represent him and I was there alone with no one at all. I was granted use of the Inlaw apartment in our family home. The next day after court and me being awarded use of the Inlaw apartment he installed security cameras all around the house. Since then he has filed repeated charges against me and I am facing so many charges that it makes my head spin, it seriously make me have suicidal thoughts. The children that I gave birth to hate me and believe him, he has convinced them that our abusive, controlling, manipulating marriage is all my fault. For the past 5 years I have been arrested 7 times. The last time being this past July, and then charged again on January 20th 2012. I have a mound of evidence against him however his 2 Lawyers say that I am being vendictive, and he wins every trial. He has beat me down to NOTHING and NOBODY will stand on my side, EVERYONE IS AFRAID OF HIM. He held his girlfriend prior to me hostage with a gun for 7 hours with a swat team outside, burnt her with cigarettes and made her play russian roulette with a gun. He has kidnapped our son when he was 3 years old. One of his x girlfriends comitted suicide and he swears that it was not his fault, she was just depressed. I have found out so much about him and how he always has his Laywers sent court summons to wrong addresses for everyone that he has ever filed any court papers against, and everytime he is awarded a post-ponement, court papers of the new scheduled trial get mailed to a wrong address. I have been arrested for failure to appear on trials where he has filed charges against me, even when the resords show that summons have been returned to the court and not delivered to me. How in the world do I get anyone to help me. I go to trial again February 7, 2012, once again by myself without an attorney while he has 2 attorneys once again! Please someone tell me where I can get help. I have tried so many pro-bono agencies only to pay them $25 to $50 with the promise of getting legal representation and then they have lawyers call me and give me their fee requirment before they will even enter an appearance in my trials. Which I have several coming up beginning Feb 7, 2012. Im so desparate and in need of help! He has beat me down to nothing and facing jail time once again!
  • Michelle
    where do you live? what state?
  • Sharon  - 24 years married to a narcissist
    I live in Maryland. Pasadena Maryland, Anne Arundel County
  • beeamongbees  - im in the right site at the perfect time
    Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and insight. I have been with mine for 4.5 years, married 2.5 - with two kids. he was perfect for me when i first met him, told me everything i wanted to hear but he never had any friends and made no introduction to his family. he always made tons of stories and excuses. Lied about important parts of his past, ie..fathering child and not taking responsibility with wife 1, relationship with 2nd ex wife, financial stability, etc. Always talked about himself and his self important success stories over and over and over again. never asked about me in anyway, if i menstioned something about me - he would cut me off and talk about himself. needed constant praise and acknowledgement for EVERYTHING and if he didnt get it, i was treating him like trash and i had no respect for him and supposedly I thought every other man was a MAN but him. I felt constantly drained. if i ever had an opinion that wasnt a praise to his ideas, beliefs etc then i was challenging him and i again supposedly thought he was a worhtless piece of crap. So i stopped talking so not to "oppose him". He was constantly scheming up ridiculous business ventures - he became increasingly grandiose. He then decides to run for congress (he had no idea what he was doing)- thought he could fake it and make it. No surprise he had no ability to see himself clearly. He became even more Arrogant without any substance. He was aloof and i had no say in anything. Find out a year and a half later he embezzled almost a million dollars to fund his craziness. Then he gets arrested for something else, and is outraged that i am leaving him, sees himself as a complete victim who made a mistake. By the way one of the people he embezzled from is now broke and bankrupt - it was his entire life savings. He kept this all a secret until it blew up with his arrest (for something entirely different). the lies and drama are endless, i could go on all night. He is trying to guilt trip me with the kids, they are babies and love and adore him. We are only seperated, i need to pull the plug on this mess. this narc is dangerous but in truth they all are - and i dont see this ever changing.
    Bee
  • Marilyn  - Lost
    I have been married to a narcissist for 40 years and have only just realized it. Ten years ago I caught him cheating on me when I came home from work unexpectedly and heard him telling another woman he loved her on the phone. After doing some 'snooping' I found out it was a woman he worked with. He told people (even our children)that I was exagerating, that his "I love you" on the phone was simply a "love ya!" to a friend. People believed him because he puts on such a charming front. This is a constant and repetitive story. Every time he does something wrong, he convinces friends and family that I am over sensitive and always blow things out of proportion, and that he is always the victim and just a good person trying to deal with an unreasonable wife. I am so alone and lost, so depressed that I can't even think straight anymore. He is now into porn on the internet,to the point of conversing with these women and in one case I found an email where he gave a woman his cell phone number and asked her to contact him and they could meet and see if they 'clicked'. It's right there in black and white and he still denied it! He laughs at me when I try to reason with him or have a serious conversation regarding our marriage. Then I end up crying and he is completely indifferent to me and walks around the house humming and/or talking and laughing with his friends on the phone. Everyone thinks he is such a wonderful, loving person. Part of his game is that he repeatedly tells everyone how much he loves me and doesn't know what he would do without me. He is adored and admired by literally everyone. I am in fear for myself, I don't know how much longer I can do this and I don't have anyone I can turn to, he has them all completely fooled.
  • {Raven}  - I can relate Marilyn
    **Victims Turn Victors**

    We are all victims
    With a story to tell
    A story of pain
    Our very own hell

    To others, he was great
    He'd mimic their level
    But behind closed doors
    We saw the real devil

    No empathy, no love
    Everything was our fault
    He'd re-open fresh wounds
    Then filled it with salt

    He portrayed himself great
    Said we were the 'problem'
    He'd point out all our faults
    And told us to solve them

    What's worse, we believed him
    Thought we were to blame
    We'd question ourselves cause
    He made us feel shame

    So why did we stay?
    We were blind, couldn't see
    Depression set in...
    Insecurity...

    Over time, it was clear
    Enough was enough cause
    They pushed us so much
    That we became tough

    Alas, no more tears
    For we know what they are
    Emotional abusers
    Don't leave physical scars

    Soon others will see
    The NARCISSISTIC liar
    They'll smell the thick smoke
    Long before they see fire

    So let him roar like a beast
    Point fingers and complain
    We're no longer his victim
    Cause we know HE'S to blame!

    By: {Raven}
  • Latrece  - Raven, thank you. On my way to recovery
    Raven,

    Thank you so much for this beautiful poem. I have printed this out as a daily reminder that i made a good decision for me and my kids, to divorce my husband. Everything u wrote was so true. Thank u:)
  • {Raven}  - Your welcome Latrece
    I admire you for your courage to take that difficult step of divorce for you and your children. I know divorce can be quite traumatizing; especially for kids. But lucky for them, you've broken the chain of Narcissism in their lives. Your love saved them. Real love concors all. Kudos to you friend! The best of luck to you!
  • Phoenix  - Knowledge is power
    :D Dear Marilyn,
    I feel your terror in what you write. May I help you? I was with my ex for 19 years until he left and as I researched everything I found he was a Narc. But this is not about me this is you that needs help and I believe I can help you. First of all you are welcome to email me privately at ozpaws@me.com anytime you like. In fact do you have Skype? It is free - now is the time to take control of your life, I want you to get an apple laptop if you can and get a friend to set up Skype for you. This will be your first step in growth. From this you will feel empowered - something they don't want.

    I want you to know that I am here for you, I have been where you are and now I am strong and in control. Please know that you will be ok. But what you must do is stay calm. Please do the following if you can:


    No.1
    Buy an apple laptop (Apple are the most securest computers around).
    a laptop so you can be mobile and go off and use it without him seeing you. You need to relax. Tell him you are interested in keeping in touch with the family.

    No.2
    Get yourself a private email address - you can do this. Go to Gmail or hotmail and sign up for a private email address something you are drawn to i.e. I am Phoenix - rising from the fire and born anew!

    No.3
    Go online and download the free Skype for Mac and sign up using your new name. YOU CAN DO THIS .... you are starting to feel a sense of empowerment by now.

    No.4
    DO NOT think ahead or let your mind wonder to what will the family think if I leave him or friends or associates, just know and trust that you are a woman warrior and you are taking back control of your life.

    No.5
    Go to your doctor and tell her and your doctor should be a woman preferably - not the same doctor as him. Tell your doctor what has been happening - be confident and do NOT doubt yourself you are right and not crazy! They will subscribe antidepressants - this is very important as you need to be strong. You will have more and more good days but there will be low days too, but you will get through this and be really really happy.

    No.6
    Now you are ready to start the next faze..... and I will talk to you again online.

    Please Marilyn, know that we do care about you, you are not crazy, you a strong wonderful woman and that is testament as to how you have lasted 40 years. Do not judge yourself, deep in your heart just know that you will get through this and you will find everyone around you will come forward and support you and not him. But first you have to work through the beginning of this plan with me. Then I will tell you how to put everything else in place as I did. Everyone told me to run from my Narc as he is a psychopath but I at last trusted myself and accepted my Psychic abilities and they have guided me through this to safety and SUCCESS. I am standing up now and recognising myself in you and I want to help you and will help you.

    much love

    xxx
  • Heather J  - For Marilyn. I'm also lost.
    Hi
    Am in exactly the same boat ('cept 42 years with the man). I'm still crazy about him and when I'm not in pain due to his ongoing relationship with his current 'common-law wife' I'm happy or at least content. He is intelligent, kind, loving, cheerful, interesting, FUN, apparantly cares for me and is very generous to me. (Like you M. I've also only realised this week what I'm dealing with but it explains so many things like the ridiculous rages that seem to come out of nowhere and to be about nothing. Personally I still think they are to some extent an act because I have noticed that if it's a really bad one and he starts throwing things he never throws the good china! Then after the rage is over he honestly appears not to know what you are upset about. He's fine so what's your problem? If I do try to discuss it later he blames me).

    I am 62, have been a full time housewife and mother since I met him at school and have very little savings of my own. I know that legally I am entitled to maintenance under our (south african) law but I absolutely know he would do ANYTHING rather than give me a CENT if I left. As a self-employed person it is not that difficult for him to duck and dive on what his earnings are.

    Anyway I've been with him since I was 17 and, bottom line, honestly don't believe enough in myself to go it alone now - even if I were OK financially and could call up the mental energy to challenge him. I don't think life on my own would be a good option for me.

    I do have interests and keep fit and have friends but that is not enough to sustain me (although I guess it would have to if anything happened to him) Leaving is just not what I want to do.

    So what I really need is if someone can suggest a way I can stay but put up a mental barrier against the pain. "When he's good he's very very good and when he's bad he's horrid" is so true about him. I don't want to not love him because if I do I would despise him (and myself) and then it will be even worse staying. So how do I do this? Please don't write saying I should leave - I do get that - but I either cannot or won't. Have tried it a couple of times and had serious panic attacks.

    Like your husband M he also tells everyone (including the current mistress) that I am the love of his life & he will never leave me. I truly don't think he will - why would he? He has a great wife, lovely home and basically does what he likes. When I'm upset "Grow up. You know this is how I am so get over it" is what I'm told if I don't cheer up ater a few minutes.

    He sounds like a monster when I read this but 80% of the time he's everything I could want. I just need somehow to work out how to stop hurting when I hear him talking to her on the phone (no he doesn't bother to hide it though I have asked him to). Any ideas?

    My talking to the other woman won't help as she's in love (or thinks she is) and believes he loves her (and presumably will leave me one of these days if she just tries a bit harder to please him. After all she's 40 and I'm 60 so go figure). Even if I did persuade her to leave he would a) be extremely angry at my meddling and b)find someone else in a few months. We've been down that path...

    Right, that was serious babbling; sorry for going on somewhat! Best wishes to all reading this - even though there is no cure for N it does help a bit to know there are other people out there in the same weird boat. Helps to have a name for the boat too!
  • ;oanna  - my opinion
    Wow! I can't believe how long you have lived through this. Unfortunately, most narcissists will tired of their NS and will leave. You are far better prepping for that moment; create a savings account and dump every spare dollar into it, even getting a small part-time job to fund it, or selling unused items on ebay and storing the cash in paypal until its needed. Read as much as you can about narcissism and how to "parent" these folks. Privately record all conversations with him, preferably a nanny cam, do not let him know you are recording it, he will hurt you if he finds out. Good luck.
  • Heather J
    Hi Joanne
    Thanks so much for your suggestions; will start putting away what I can. The reason I think he will stay is cos he has for 42 years now and I am his "social face" - the person who runs the "proper" side of his life. Also we have 4 adult kids and their being cross with him if he left me would upset him a lot. Just curious why you say to record his conversations? Our immediate family all know he's weird and messing about and I can't imagine what he'd do if he caught me doing it. I did try it once and just about had a heart attack when the tape recorder went 'ping' as the tape ran out! Fortunately he didn't notice it. Am still feeling shell shocked by finding out that a) he has started another affair - we had a 5 year gap which was great for me but I could see he wasn't really happy and b) that he actually has N and that it will never go away. Thought: Should be fun paddling around our retirement home (when we get there) to visit his elderly girlfriends!!! At least I'm losing weight as at the moment I feel too sick to eat. Have to find someone or something (a mantra maybe? Not "this too will pass" since I now know it won't) that will help me cope down the line.
    Thanks again. Have never done this before. It's cool! Heather
  • Rebecca P  - Ooops... I did it again....
    I have been with my narcissist boyfriend for 7 months. He proposed to me and moved 1500 miles away to be with me within 2 months. What a nightmare he has made my life!!! I thought I was going crazy until I started looking for reason why his actions are what they are. Now that I know, I am taking my power back! I'm sorry but it's time to play with him and do a little manipulating. I need to get stronger to leave him. I need to know that I have control for a little while. :)
  • Lina
    How would the N react if I gave him a book about Narcissism as a gift?
  • {Raven}  - I wouldn't do that Lina.
    Narcs have real fears and insecurities, but will NEVER admit to it. So a huge part of their lives is to convince and fool people otherwise. To give him a book about what he is would be in vain. The last thing he ever would want to hear from anyone is how messed up we know they are. He may even lash out on you for it. In my opinion, the best person to tell him is a therapist/counselor. Much luck, though. Mine completely refuses to go to marriage counseling with me. He says, "No one needs to know about our problems". But I know the real reason. He knows his fears and insecurities would be revealed.
  • Lina  - B.D. present
    THanks Raven. It was his B.D. and I thought a book about N would be perfect. I so wanted him to know that he is really actually sick but I guess it is good enough for me to know that he is. I cannot blame a sick person for his actions. No normal person would act this way. So this is the way I am trying to heal. I thank God for an amzing few months I had with him and pray to God to make me get over and forgive all the agony afterwards. He is a beautiful charming man from the outside but he is not normal and I pray for both of us....
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